What’s Your Vote (2010 HOF)

4 Jan

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This week, the Baseball Writers Association of America will inform us of which players, if any, will be inducted into baseball’s Hall of Fame this summer. Everyone has an opinion about the Hall of Fame, the voting process and players who either should, or shouldn’t, be included. That’s no different with this vote. I used to dive into this pretty strongly, but for today, I’ll mainly just tell you my vote, if I had one, and then let you weigh in. I encourage you to post your ‘vote’ in the Comments section, and at the end of the day, we can see how we voted.

Returning Players:

Players on the ballot must receive 75% of the vote to be inducted into the Hall of Fame. They must receive 5% of the vote to remain on the ballot. Of course, they can only be on the ballot for 15 years before coming off of it as well. At that point, after a five year waiting period, the Veteran’s Committee can vote them in. Here are the players remaining from last year’s ballot:

Andre Dawson – 67.0% (Andre Dawson was a very good player, almost 440 home runs and 320 stolen bases. I guess if Jim Rice made it, Dawson can make it. But maybe Tony Oliva should make it too!)

Bert Blyleven – 62.7% (Well, I try not to be biased, but I have absolutely no clue why he hasn’t been in the Hall of Fame for five to eight years already. I am yet to hear a good argument against his induction.)

Lee Smith – 44.5% (‘All-Time Saves Leader’ should mean something, but what? He is in the middle. He came later than the Sutter, Fingers era, and in the early portion of the Eckersley, Rivera era.)

Jack Morris – 44.0% (254 wins is noteworthy, but so is the 3.90 ERA. In the last seven years of his career, he had just one season with an ERA below that number. Fortunately for Twins fans, that came in 1991 when he also pitched Game 7 of the World Series.)

Tim Raines – 22.6% (no, he wasn’t Rickey Henderson, but 2600 hits, 1570 Runs Scored, 980 RBI, 808 stolen bases, .385 OBP. Only problem was that his best years came in Canada, with the Expos.)

Mark McGwire – 21.9% (hit just .263, but he did hit 583 home runs and got one base nearly 40% of the time. Along with Sammy Sosa, he saved baseball. 135 home runs in two years! Of course, there is a little controversy around him. However, do we know that he was playing on an uneven playing field? I don’t.)

Alan Trammell – 17.4% (solid shortstop, good glove, 15-18 homer power for a decade, 20-25 stolen base. He was a good ball player for a decade. I think that Lou Whitaker should get more votes than Trammell though, and he didn’t even get to a second ballot.)

Dave Parker – 15.0% (Another example of a solid player. 2700 hits, 339 homers, an MVP. Three really good seasons in the late ‘70s. Played on some winning teams. But Hall of Fame?)

Don Mattingly – 11.9% (back injuries kept him out. Career numbers look a lot like Kirby Puckett’s, but Puckett didn’t have the opportunity for his career to drop as precipitously as Mattingly’s.)

Dale Murphy – 11.5% (And Mattlingly’s didn’t drop nearly as fast as Murphy’s. Those two early MVP awards and nearly 400 homers keep him on the ballot though.)

Harold Baines – 5.9% (Vastly underrated career. Lots of hits, lots of power. Primarily a DH most of his career, but he could certainly hit)

New-To-The-Ballot:

To be on the ballot, a player must have spent at least ten years in the major leagues. And even then, not all players are included. For instance, players such as Greg Colbrunn, Mike Fetters, Curtis Leskanic, Fernando Vina and Turk Wendell were not on the ballot. These guys were:

Roberto Alomar – From about 1990 through about 2001, Alomar was the best 2B in baseball. Then he went to the Mets and that was about it. He hit for average, good middle-infield power, on base skills, incredible defense, playoff moments. Sure, there was some controversy along the way.

Kevin Appier – His career ERA is lower than Morris’s! But he wasn’t good for as long, or on winning teams. I mean, he was with the Royals.

Ellis Burks – Burks was a major prospect with the Red Sox. Never quite made it there. Had very good career numbers, but they were greatly enhanced by four really strong years in Colorado in the mid-90s.

Andres Galarraga – 2333 hits. 399 homers. 1425 RBI. And only five of his seasons were in Colorado. Had two great years in Atlanta with a missed season recovering from cancer in between. He was just a very good 1B for a long time with some monster seasons in between.

Pat Hentgen – 131-112. 200+ innings four of five years between 1993 and 1997. Never again. Won 1996 Cy Young with only 20 win season. 4.32 ERA for career.

Mike Jackson – Eight teams in 17 big league seasons. Very good middle reliever who was closer in Cleveland for 2+ seasons. 50 or more games pitched in 13 out of 15 seasons at one point. Pitched for Twins in 2002.

Eric Karros – 1992 Rookie of the Year with Dodgers. 1700 hits, 284 of which are home runs. From 1995-2000, had 30+ HR in 5 of 6 seasons.

Ray Lankford – 1560 hits, 238 HR. Came up as speed guy (258 steals), and added power in the middle of career.

Barry Larkin – 2340 hits, 198 HR, 1329 Runs, 960 RBI, 379 SB. 12 All-Star games, 8 Silver Sluggers, 3 Gold Gloves and an MVP.

Edgar Martinez – From 1990-2001, hit over. 300 ten times. 2247 hits, 309 HR, 1261 RBI. Wasn’t a full-time player until he was 27. Really only a DH. Very dangerous hitter. Career .933 OPS.

Fred McGriff – Ten 30 home run seasons, 493 career home runs. Almost 2500 hits. He stuck around in attempt for 500 home runs. Played in three World Series.

Shane Reynolds – 13 seasons… would you have guessed he had 114 Wins and ‘just’ a 4.09 career ERA?

David Segui – 1400 hits, 139 HR… Struggled to stay healthy.

Robin Ventura – 1885 hits, 294 HR. Six Gold Gloves. Very good career, but after numbers at Oklahoma State, many expected more.

Todd Zeile – Played for 11 teams in 16 year career. 2000 hits, 250 home runs.

So, who would I vote for (in order of certainty):

1.)    Bert Blyleven – yes, it is that easy.

2.)    Roberto Alomar – again, a no-brainer for me.

3.)    Tim Raines – incredible all-around leadoff hitter.

4.)    Barry Larkin – best shortstop in the league for a dozen years.

5.)    Mark McGwire – again, show that he wasn’t playing on an even playing field. Like Harmon Killebrew, McGwire was very one-dimensional, so this isn’t a slam dunk choice, even without the controversy.

There are a few that I would have no problem with them making it, I just wouldn’t vote for them:

6.)    Fred McGriff – I could be convinced, maybe.

7.)    Andre Dawson – very solid player for quite a long time.

 That’s it for me. Now be sure to go to the Comments and enter your ballotAt the end of the day, we’ll take a look and see who people voted for and if anyone would make it according to the readers of this site.

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25 Responses to “What’s Your Vote (2010 HOF)”

  1. Josh Johnson January 4, 2010 at 3:37 am #

    My ballot would be identical to yours. I would like to see guys like Martinez and McGriff get in, but not for a few years.

  2. mike January 4, 2010 at 8:24 am #

    Bert Blyleven, Roberto Alomar

  3. mike wants wins January 4, 2010 at 9:25 am #

    Raines – no brainer for me.
    Larkin
    Alomar
    Blyleven (even though if the guy had a different name, Bert wouldn’t vote for him – he left the ball up too much, and didn’t win enough—which seem to be important to Blyleven as an announcer)

    I’d need to study Marinez more, but my thought right now is yes.

    Mattingly? Look at his career vs Hrbek’s career. Hrbek had a better peak. Hrbek won 2 WS. Their stats are not that dissimilar. Why does Mattingly get any love at all?

    • sploorp January 4, 2010 at 8:52 pm #

      Because he’s a Yankee.

  4. Rick January 4, 2010 at 9:37 am #

    Blylyven, Larkin, Dawson, Morris, Smith

  5. Jack Steal January 4, 2010 at 9:54 am #

    My ballot would be Andre Dawson and Bert Blyleven. However, the writers will find a way to leave Twins players off the ballot again. Just ask Tony Oliva!!!!!

  6. Ben January 4, 2010 at 10:00 am #

    Nobody.

    Personally I don’t think Blyleven belongs in the Hall. Granted there are other pitchers there that have roughly equal or even worse stats, but that’s no reason to water it down further.

    IMO the Hall should be a one-ballot affair – that is, if you’re not a stone cold lead pipe cinch to get in, you’re not.

  7. Bill@TDS January 4, 2010 at 10:15 am #

    Wow, I’m glad Ben isn’t in charge. To make Blyleven not deserving, it’s more than just a matter of kicking a couple guys out — you’d have to cut the entire HOF roster in half (at least).

    Alomar, Larkin, Blyleven, McGwire, Raines, Trammell, and Edgar are all pretty obviously deserving.

    No on Dawson and McGriff, though it won’t bother me when they get in. Emphatic no on everybody else.

  8. Todd January 4, 2010 at 10:38 am #

    If McGwire’s 583 HR’s are legitimate he certainly belongs in the HOF. And if they are legitimate McGwire should step up and defend them. If he doesn’t he’s out.

  9. maxisagod January 4, 2010 at 10:52 am #

    Alomar, Blyleven, Larkin

  10. jjswol January 4, 2010 at 11:10 am #

    This year my votes would go to Bert Blyleven, Andre Dawson and Fred McGriff. Mark McGwire does not get my vote because of the obvious and Roberto Alomar does not go in on his first year because of his attitude, maybe down the line. Thanks.

  11. charley January 4, 2010 at 11:24 am #

    My ballot:

    1) Andre Dawson
    2) Bert Blyleven
    3) Tim Raines
    4) Lee Smith

    I would vote for Alomar and McGriff but not on their first ballot.

    Charley
    Andre Dawson for the Hall of Fame
    hawk4thehall blogspot

  12. Doug January 4, 2010 at 11:29 am #

    I would go with Alomar, Blyleven, Raines, Larkin and McGriff.

    The first four are clear choices and McGriff is probably borderline but if you look at his numbers compared to those he played against they were very impressive and consistent. He might be the last of the guys who put up #s that you feel pretty comfortable about as not being part of the steroid era.

    Others that I liked but wouldn’t vote for are Dawson (bad knees hindered him but he only had over 100 rbis 4 times and over 30 hrs 3 times and if you look at stats he led the league in it is a very short list – he had one great year and many good years); Lee Smith (but then you better be ready to vote in Joe Nathan and many others); & Jack Morris (while he was a great big game pitcher I just can’t get past that horrible ERA – I know he was the best of the 80s but maybe it was because there weren’t great pictures in the 80s).

  13. thrylos98 January 4, 2010 at 12:59 pm #

    Raines, Alomar, McGwire

    Blyleven was never a dominating pitcher

  14. mike wants wins January 4, 2010 at 1:14 pm #

    178 games where Bert started, pitched at least 6 innings, gave up 3 or less runs, and took a loss or no decision, I believe.

    The only thing Bert didn’t do is win, and that’s a stupid stat for individuals.

    • thrylos98 January 4, 2010 at 1:51 pm #

      only 2 All star games in 22 seasons, no Cy Young Awards, one season in 22 let the league in Ks (and 2 in HRs allowed)… Who cares about wins? He was a decent pitcher but never the cream of the crop. Not a dominant pitcher. A great #2 starter. The HOF IMHO is not for better than average, it is for the best only.

      • mike wants wins January 4, 2010 at 2:03 pm #

        The voters were stupid in how they voted for cy Young in the past (no way Greinke wins in the old days, no way – but he’s clearly the best pitcher in the AL), so he should be punished now that we are smarter?

        How would you measure dominant? That’s really the question here, isn’t it? How we measure dominance (as, I agree, the way the Hall of FAME is constructed now, the players that get plaques should be at least dominant)?

  15. Thor January 4, 2010 at 2:30 pm #

    1——Bert Blyleven, has to be in the hall.!!!!!!
    2——Tim Raines, only leadoff hitter that was ever better is Rickey.
    3——Andre Dawson, when you watched him, he was always the best player out there.
    4——Roberto Alomar, I wish I could say no.
    5——Jack Morris, some moments transcend a career to the point where the moment is almost bigger than any career can be.

  16. Michael January 4, 2010 at 5:15 pm #

    Bert Blyleven, Tim Raines are the only two who belong, imho.

  17. nick January 4, 2010 at 5:26 pm #

    Blyleven. 3.31 ERA over 19 years… yikes
    Larkin. 12 silver sluggers, 3 gold gloves better OPS+ than anyone SS not named A-ROD or nomar
    Alomar. Vaccum at 2nd plus an over active saliva gland.
    E. Martinez. Masher with some of the best power numbers of all time.

  18. sploorp January 4, 2010 at 8:56 pm #

    After Bert, I don’t really have any strong options either way. Raines and Alomar sound good to me.

  19. milt on tilt January 4, 2010 at 9:48 pm #

    jees. I’m disappointed in the lack of support in Trammel. He’s fourth in preference on my ballot (bly, alomar, larkin). He’s only a notch below cal who most everyone believes is no doubter.

  20. Shawn in Texas January 4, 2010 at 10:37 pm #

    1. Alomar
    2. Larkin
    3. McGwire
    4. Raines
    5. Blyleven, I’m actaully going the other way on him, but I think he deserves to be in due to his amazing curveball and good numbers.
    6. Murphy, I am biased here but the man was a 2 time MVP, 5 time GG, from about 82-87 he was a top 5 player in all of baseball accoring to win shares. He fell off quick but if Jim Rice is in, Murphy should be as well
    7. Dawson, if Jim Rice is in….

    wouldn’t have a problem with Trammell, L. Smith, Galaragga, or Fred McGriff either.

  21. Tom January 5, 2010 at 10:02 am #

    My votes go to Blyleven, Alomar, and Dawson.

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