But… But… But…

31 Jul


  1. Eats innings – tonight (4 innings pitched)
  2. will carry the young pitchers late in the season (4 innings, 5 runs)
  3. provides leadership – really? and did I mention 4 innings, 5 runs, 9 hits, 2 walks?
  4. will provide quality, important innings late in the season, against top competition – 4 innings, 5 runs, 9 hits, 2 walks…

Seriously, doesn’t actually pitching and productivity mean something? Livan is untradable, but it is hard to see him pitching every five days too!

Paul Byrd is supposedly going to be traded before the deadline, could the Twins get anything for Livan? You know, I try to understand the Twins thinking on any decision and certainly there are relatively adequate reasons for keeping Livan in the rotation. But how much is too much? If he isn’t traded tomorrow before the deadline, would he clear waivers if the Twins put him out there on Friday? Would anyone dare claim him?

For any faults Francisco Liriano has yet at this point, if he was just a normal prospect, in other words hadn’t done what he did in 2006, what would this discussion be? Put another way, if Kevin Mulvey was putting up equivalent numbers to Liriano in Rochester, would we be clamoring as loudly for him to be brought up?

I got to my hotel room in Orlando, turned on the TV, took about a minute to find the ESPN channel, and when I got there, Steve Phillips was saying that the Twins simply need to rid themselves of Livan and bring up Liriano. It is so incredibly easy to see from the outside. Maybe it isn’t as clear from inside.

My honest opinion, however, is that this Liriano situation will be made clear by the middle of this afternoon. The Twins will do something, whether it is making a trade or putting someone on waivers. Call it a feeling, but I can’t believe that they would let this situation continue.

Any other thoughts or observations? Since I was on a plane, or in a taxi, or waiting at baggage claim, while the game was going on, I really know nothing, so please point out anything you saw or heard here.

By the way, I haven’t looked at the box scores yet, but someone close to the Twins told me that there was a Henry Sanchez sighting tonight. Yes, Henry Sanchez was in a lineup! Good for him. I hope he can make it through the rest of the season healthy. It’s easy to call him a bust, but it has been due to injury really. Yes, he’s got the size/weight issues, but if healthy, we don’t know that would have still been the case. On a similar note, I was told that Paul Kelly’s hamstring injury would have him about a week to ten days… that was probably a month or more ago.


11 Responses to “But… But… But…”

  1. Andy Darsow July 31, 2008 at 5:19 am #

    Totally agree Seth. I was of the opinion that tonight would be the decision maker for Livan. This is why they supposedly got him, big game pitcher? Granted it’s still early but you have a chance to give your team a quality start and take over first place at home. He basically did not even give them a chance. I thought he was all over the strike zone and got behind in a lot of counts and then threw balls right over the heart of the plate. Just an opinion but it was pretty obvious. He was bad tonight, am I the only one that finds it painful to watch him pitch? It was kind of fun the first couple of times watching him float that crap, but it is old now. You can’t have a guy throwing every five days for your team in a playoff hunt with a ERA north of 5. See LeVelle’s blog tonight, he said he heard that Liriano should be up in the next few days, I sure hope so. I would also like this team make some sort of move, even if it isn’t a splash which you know it probably won’t be. Don’t take this as me getting down on the Twins because it is not meant to be that. I am still very confident in this team and I think they will get a win tomorrow night to take the series but I had to give my 2 cents on Livo.

  2. Nathan Gau July 31, 2008 at 11:52 am #

    Tend to agree on Livan, this experiment has lasted too long. I still think he should be around in case someone needs to be shut down, so DFA Bass and let him sit in the pen.

    However, I will say this… every pitcher in the league has a bad start. Justifying his removal from the rotation on a bad start is not wise (at least that is what the Twins will say). I agree, he has to go, as he’s had far more than 1 bad start, and I would have a tough time believing that Liriano would be worse.

  3. Brian July 31, 2008 at 12:42 pm #

    The time has well past for Livian to be removed from the rotation. ERA 5.31 opposing batting average of .336. The only positive is he walks very few batters (would you take pitches when he throws batting practice?).
    At least with the other 4 starters you can hope for improvement. For Livian, he is on the downside of a career that can only boast that he was durable enough to throw lots of innings. Since 2005 he has performed worse each year and this year is on record pace for allowing runners on base. If the Twins use the excuse of 1 bad start they are failing to see the big picture where Livian has lucked into wins and performed well below average in more than half his starts.
    Meanwhile Liriano pitches against AAA hitters. The only conclusion of his stats is that he is throwing strikes and winning. Aside from that he will need to prove 2006 is more accurate than the beginning of 2008. I don’t see Liriano lasting many years in the majors before falling apart again but shouldn’t he be given the chance again?
    I don’t see 2006 as a possibility but at least give the guy a shot to prove he has returned to major league form.

  4. mike wants wins July 31, 2008 at 12:43 pm #

    Livan was very, very hittable. I told my friend at the bar that clearly LIvan was crafty. He extended that inning as long as he could, so as to ice the opposing pitcher. It would have worked to if Mauer had gotten a hit 🙂

  5. A Nony Moose July 31, 2008 at 1:03 pm #

    Is there any chance that Livan will be a Type B Free Agent after this year again? You’d think that would have “some” value associated for the Twins to keep him if so.

  6. Corky July 31, 2008 at 1:04 pm #

    I think it’s safe to say that no one saw this coming:
    Junior > the White Sox….

    I really hope the Twins do something today.

  7. Jeremy July 31, 2008 at 1:55 pm #

    Did you see that Swarzak pitched pretty well and Luke Hughes was promoted? Apparently, McDonald is out for the year. Interesting in that Howie Clark is already playing a little in the OF because Pridie, Jones and D-Mac were the only OFs. I guess Hughes will be getting a lot of time in LF.

  8. Seth July 31, 2008 at 2:33 pm #

    I hadn’t seen that Hughes was promoted. He’s been in such a tailspin the last month (since coming back from the second injury). But if McDonald is out for the year, they had to do something. Hughes deserved it earlier in the year, so good for him. I think you could make a case for Dustin Martin too.

  9. mini_tb July 31, 2008 at 2:33 pm #


    Here’s some news from rotoworld.com that will get you excited!!

    Khalil Greene isn’t expected to play Thursday after hurting his left hand while hitting a storage chest during Wednesday’s game.

    Brilliant. The Padres will know Thursday whether Greene fractured the hand. Luis Rodriguez will fill in at shortstop while Greene is out. If Greene did suffer a fracture, one has to wonder if his Padres career is over. The team was already getting pretty frustrated with his poor play.

  10. cmathewson July 31, 2008 at 8:08 pm #

    Maybe the Dodgers will take him. They were reportedly trying to get Maddux. Maybe Livan is the next best thing available.

  11. Ben August 1, 2008 at 8:44 pm #

    Franchise and Randy Ruiz called up according to the strib!!!!

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