Twins Acquire Carl Pavano

7 Aug

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Joe Christensen just tweeted that the Twins have acquired veteran starting pitcher Carl Pavano from Cleveland for the ever-popular Player to be Named Later. He certainly meets the ‘need’ for a veteran and a starting pitcher. Not a big move, but he has been adequate enough with Cleveland this year that it is worth the risk. I have to assume that this means that Francisco Liriano moves to the bullpen for now. Depending upon who the Player to be Named Later is, I have no problem with this move. I really don’t. I think it’s worth the gamble. What do you think?

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16 Responses to “Twins Acquire Carl Pavano”

  1. DH in Philly August 7, 2009 at 11:03 am #

    I’m OK with this move – not wowwed but it is OK. Just waiting for someone to complain that PTBNL will come back and hurt the Twins.

  2. MHFESQ August 7, 2009 at 11:06 am #

    Seth-

    I think it’s a great move. Not necessarily a defining moment of the season, but Pavano is exactly what the Twins need: a cheap, underrated veteran who can eat innings. With his peripheral numbers (which, apparently, no one at the Strib blogs like), I believe he could be our second-best starter behind Baker for the rest of the year

  3. DH in Philly August 7, 2009 at 11:13 am #

    Plus, he has pitched really well against DET and CWS this season, holding them to sub-.520 OPS against in three games against each team.

  4. TaiwanDerek August 7, 2009 at 11:26 am #

    And Keppel?He shouldn’t stay here anymore.

  5. Topper August 7, 2009 at 11:27 am #

    Agreed, not a wowing move but not disappointing either. PTBNL is reassuring that we’re hopefully not giving up to much for a possibly disappointing rent-a-pitcher, but Pavano could be just decent enough — and I really can’t see how he’ll be any worse than what we’ve been seeing out of Liriano.

    Sending Dickey down is a little surprising, I would’ve imagined it’s Keppel’s turn to go?

  6. Matt August 7, 2009 at 11:34 am #

    Thanks to MHFESQ for providing the link over at Joe C’s to a Pavano article over at Fangraphs, and he has definitely pitched better than his ERA with a xFIP of 3.92. I can’t see any downside to this move.

    Billy Wagner is on a 10 day rehab assignment as he attempts to return from Tommy John surgery. Maybe he could be our next scrap heap pickup.

  7. Michael M August 7, 2009 at 11:47 am #

    Interesting move. Hope it works.

  8. roger August 7, 2009 at 11:57 am #

    Seth, any idea of the contract status of Pavano? Is he under contract for next year? Obviously, a lot will depend on what they gave up. Anyone other than Manship Guerra & McCardell at the upper levels would be fine with me. Maybe now the big three will stop their bitching and start playing ball…after all their mouth flapping, maybe a couple of them should look in the mirror the past couple of days!

  9. Topper August 7, 2009 at 12:08 pm #

    Yeah, I wonder what kind of a PTBNL we’re referring to here? Are we talking scrap-heapy Humber? Or an upside-driven Guiterriez? Or maybe a Rainville?

  10. thrylos98 August 7, 2009 at 12:20 pm #

    This was an excellent move. I think that the PTBNL is probably not on your top 50 prospects list.

    Interesting words out of Cleveland: this year they are operating at a $16M loss and forecast 2010 to be worse, so that looks like at least one competitor is out for the short term. Detroit is also loosing a lot of cash at this point…

    Pavano is a free agent after this season so it was just a “rental” (albeit high price because all his incentives are about to kick soon). Now if they find a way to get Keppel and Duensing out of there…

  11. roger August 7, 2009 at 12:49 pm #

    Seth, I suspect that Pavano will slide into Perkins starting spot with Liriano making one more start…assuming his family issues are cleared up. Then, if Liriano struggles again in his next start, he will move to the bullpen with either Perkins or Duensing taking his spot.

    As for the PTBNL, I have a feeling that it will be someone like Mullins, Pino, DeVries or maybe even Mulvey. Any higher ranked prospect than those and I believe the players intimidated Bill Smith into a poor decision. Now with a middle infielder and starting pitcher, maybe it is time for the players to put up or shut up!

  12. Troy August 7, 2009 at 12:55 pm #

    I’m going to guess either Dinkelman or Tolleson would be the PTBNL. With Singleton now in AA, there’s kind of a jam that needs to be loosened up here IMHO. It would have helped that they would give Tolleson a chance to play in the majors.

  13. Old Dutch August 7, 2009 at 2:01 pm #

    I don’t think there will be a PTBNL. The Indians are gonna lose a bunch of money this year. They NEED to cut any salary they can. Pavano was acquired on the waiver wire. This means the Tribe either had to trade him to the Twins or trade him to no one at all. They had no leverage. They needed to trade him, the Twins were the only team they could trade him to, and both parties knew it.

  14. TT August 7, 2009 at 2:03 pm #

    I would not be surprised if they haven’t agreed on the PTBNL. They may have a list for Cleveland to choose from or it may depend on Pavano’s performance.

    It might even depend on how much the Twins have to pay in incentives. He is going to be making an extra $50,000 per start and $10,000 per inning with those numbers going up the deeper we go into the season. So it may be the less Pavano pitches the rest of the year, the better the prospect the Twins will have to give up.

    For the Indians this is a money deal. Obviously the money is what kept him from being claimed on waivers by any of the teams behind the Twins.

  15. TT August 7, 2009 at 2:07 pm #

    “This means the Tribe either had to trade him to the Twins or trade him to no one at all. They had no leverage.”

    Not quite true. They could have just let the Twins have him for the waiver price. So the prospect has to be worth more to them than that.

    • Old Dutch August 7, 2009 at 2:14 pm #

      That’s only like 25,000 though, isn’t it? In MLBland, that’s pocket change.

      What I basically mean is: we shouldn’t be giving up anyone of any real value.

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