Roster Day

31 Aug

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As you know, by 11:00 central time tonight, the Twins will have had to submit their playoff roster. If there is anything to the Rich Harden situation as it relates to the Twins, it will have to happen by noon today. Rumors and names have been thrown about. It started with people thinking the Cubs wanted Rene Tosoni and BJ Hermsen. The most recent rumors I have heard say that they want Rob Delaney and Anthony Slama. The reality? Likely only Bill Smith and his staff and Cubs GM Jim Hendry and his staff know the real story. And the rest of us will be brought into the loop by noon, but probably only if there is a deal reached.

The Twins have been playing well. They have now won nine of their last 12 games. The additions of Jon Rauch and Ron Mahay certainly provide veteran presence to the bullpen. Scott Baker was very good on Sunday. Carl Pavano was good after a rough first inning on Saturday. Brian Duensing was excellent on Friday night!

The Twins are now at .500 (65-65) with just 32 more games to go. They passed the White Sox, who they no play three games against starting tonight, and are still 4.5 games behind the Tigers. It could still be an interesting month.

I apologize for the quick update. I have been sicker than a dog (whatever that means) for a couple of days, so bear with me. The Twins short season minor league seasons will finish up their playoffs this week. The other teams will all be done in one week. New Britain is still fighting for a playoff spot while the Ft. Myers Miracle are already in.

Please feel free to leave your comments here throughout the day with any rumors, minor league notes, roster updates or more.


21 Responses to “Roster Day”

  1. Joe August 31, 2009 at 8:36 am #

    Does Deolis Guerra have to be on the 40 man roster. He has had 4 years in the minor leauges correct?

  2. mike wants wins August 31, 2009 at 8:40 am #

    I would be disappointed if they dealt both relievers to the Cubs for a guy that will only pitch 5 times or so. I’m not really sure how I feel about signing him. He’s Crede like in his ability to stay healthy.

  3. TT August 31, 2009 at 9:31 am #

    If all the Cubs want is Slama and Delaney, the Twins should make the deal in a heartbeat.

    Most of these “rumors” don’t even rise to that level. They are just mindless speculation repeated over and over until people start to believe there must be something to them.

  4. mike wants wins August 31, 2009 at 9:36 am #

    TT: you’d deal two guys that will very likely be in the majors some day for 5 starts (for a team not likely to make the playoffs)? I’d have done that deal earlier in the year, or last year, but this year? why?

  5. Greg August 31, 2009 at 9:37 am #

    Hope ur feeling better Seth!!.. I think most of the names rumored started here on in a series or the La Velle’s postings. MLB rumors never had any names on it.

    So, I am sure that it some fo the same old sideline GM’s doing their same stuff.

    Win Twins!

    • tree9546 August 31, 2009 at 10:55 am #

      Phil Rogers in the Chicago Tribune is reporting the Cubs want Slama and Delaney.

  6. gobbledygookguy August 31, 2009 at 9:39 am #

    would you trade carlos gutierrez and shooter hunt for him?
    if he wouldn’t resign they’d get draft picks like the two used on these guys from torii signing. it’s a tuff call but they are kind of “pot committed” now after the other trades. we really need one more starter to have a realistic playoff chance if they get there.

  7. travistalks August 31, 2009 at 10:18 am #

    I would not give up big time prospects for 5 or 6 starts, however If I knew I wasn’t getting Harden I think I would claim Penny and see what he has left in the tank and see if he can help you. I am fine with Duensing in the 5th spot but we need an experienced guy in that 4 spot and if he can rediscover his June success he could be a 2 or 3 pitcher for the Twins going forward.

  8. TT August 31, 2009 at 10:23 am #

    “you’d deal two guys that will very likely be in the majors some day”

    Yes, I would. The Twins are in a pennant race and are a couple starters short. Harden is the kind of guy that can not only get them to the playoffs, but help them go further once they are there.

    I also am not sure that “likely” applies to either Slama or Delaney. There aren’t very many minor league relievers who become effective major league pitchers, especially guys who are just reaching AAA at 24 or 25. The Twins have a long list of younger pitchers ahead of them who will likely be competing for bullpen roles including Swarzak, Manship, Duensing, Mulvey, etc.

  9. Seth August 31, 2009 at 10:31 am #

    Therein lies the big dilemma… if you’re only going to get a guy for 5-6 starts, then is it really worth it to give up two guys that you know will contribute. I agree with TT, Harden is the kind of pitcher that can help you get to the playoffs (admittedly one out of every five games) AND he is the kind of guy that you like having in the playoffs too! But if there isn’t an extension, I just wouldn’t give up both of them. I would give up one, probably Delaney, and a lower level, high ceiling type (like a Hermsen, etc.), but not both Delaney and Slama. I might be higher on Alex Burnett than both Slama and Delaney, and arguably Van Mil too.

    The more I think of it, I really don’t care to get Penny, at least not giving up anything of value to get him… at least it would probably be just dollars and not players.

    • Funkytown August 31, 2009 at 12:51 pm #

      “I might be higher on Alex Burnett than both Slama and Delaney, and arguably Van Mil too.”

      Exactly. You also have Steedley/Lugo as bullpen prospects. Don’t forget Rauch is now on board for 2010 unless the Twins have a change of heart. Mahay could very well be as well. This leaves very few spots open in the bullpen. Especially IF, and it’s 2 big IFs, Bonser and Neshek are ready to go at the start of 2010.

  10. Dome Dog August 31, 2009 at 10:31 am #

    MWW – what happened to wanting the team to go “all in” sometimes?? Not saying you can’t disagree with a rumored trade by any means, just curious why it seems you’ve had a change of heart just when the front office seams to be the most active it’s been in years…

    I think I’d trade both of those guys for Harden, but I’d definetly have to think about it.

  11. mike wants wins August 31, 2009 at 10:40 am #

    I’d have easily supported this move when Harden had 15 starts left.

    I’ve not had a change in heart. I think this is too little too late. This is a lot different than being “just a DH” short, like earlier in the decade (when they had some great pitchers), or last year, when they were “just a reliever or two” short.

    I’ve been thinking about that particular trade more and more since I wrote that. I’m slightly more inclined to do it than when I wrote it, but still would be hard pressed to do it this late in the season. I also like getting guys that have more than 4-6 weeks left on their deals (like I preferred Sanchez to Cabrera).

  12. tree9546 August 31, 2009 at 10:46 am #

    Giving up 2 minor league RPs that are not overpowering pitchers for a chance to go to the post season is a freaking no brainer! So what if Slama & Delaney become reliable RPs, we just picked up Rauch for next year and we have Neshek coming back. We would either resing Harden or pick up a class A draft pick.
    Take Harden out of Wrigley and he has a 2.02 ERA this year with a 1.11 WHIP, that is extremely impressive.
    Personally I don’t want Penny, I don’t think he is healthy yet and has been getting pounded very badly this year.

    • Funkytown August 31, 2009 at 12:58 pm #

      2 not over-powering pitchers.

      I like both Delaney and Slama. However I don’t think either will make the difference in the next season, maybe next couple, that a guy like Harden could. Harden > Penny, and Harden >> Manship. Easily.

  13. mike wants wins August 31, 2009 at 1:06 pm #

    I have no problem not getting 5 starts from the outside right now.

    If he won all 5, that would be 3 or 4 more than they’d likely win with a different starter anyway. Are those 3-4 wins enough to get them in the playoffs (with other stuff)? I doubt it.

    That’s why this should have been done sooner, or for a guy also signed for next year.

  14. mike wants wins August 31, 2009 at 1:51 pm #

    From a article:”Over the past 13 seasons, no team that led a division by more than three games entering September has failed to make the playoffs.”

    Since the Twins won’t be winning the wild card, I just don’t see how taking a chance on a starter with 5-6 starts left makes sense at this point in the season. Yes, it is still possible they win. No, it is not likely to happen at this point.

    Like I said, getting an “ace” type in June made sense, probably even in July, and maybe in early August. But in September, 4.5 games out? Not likely to be the difference.

  15. tree9546 August 31, 2009 at 3:28 pm #

    All a mute point right now as Penny goes to serve up gopherballs in San Fran and Harden is staying a Cubbie. Dang it, I was hoping for for a starter today!

  16. MrHockey172000 August 31, 2009 at 4:58 pm #

    From a article:”Over the past 13 seasons, no team that led a division by more than three games entering September has failed to make the playoffs.”

    Since Detroit lost today and if the Twins win tonight and tomorrow (combined with another Detroit loss tomorrow); they would be 2.5 games out on September 1.

  17. TT August 31, 2009 at 10:59 pm #

    “”Over the past 13 seasons, no team that led a division by more than three games entering September has failed to make the playoffs.””

    I guess 13 years ago 3 games became a magic number. Can’t fight that CBS magic. Way too strong. Or maybe 13 is magic, which means you don’t want the number to reach 14 this year or the baseball world caught in a vortex of bad magic. Its all resting on the Twins to save the game by keeping the Tigers out of the playoffs.

  18. mike wants wins September 1, 2009 at 7:48 am #

    TT, all I was doing was pointing out that this is harder than people think. Why is that so bad? Seriously, what so offended you that you had to post a snarky reply?

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