Ozzie’s Out (of Chicago)

27 Sep

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It appears that Manager Ozzie Guillen is finally getting his wish and getting out of Chicago. He is about to become the manager of the Florida Marlins.

Certainly this is no surprise to anyone who pays attention to the White Sox. There has been speculation for several years that Guillen wanted to be the Marlins manager. There has always been tention between him and White Sox GM Kenny Williams. As with any fan base, White Sox fans appear ready to start a new chapter as the Ozzie Show seemed to get old.

I was at a Twins/White Sox game in early August, sitting next to a couple of White Sox fans who drove in from Chicago. They talked about how they would give anything to get rid of Guillen. When I told them that there are a lot of Twins fan that would like to see the Twins get rid of Ron Gardenhire, they were in shock. They said they would take him in a second.

Guillen has been the manager of the White Sox since 2004. He was the manager of the 2005 World Series champion team led by a lot of the same core that is still there in 2011. His one other AL Central crown came courtesy of a Jim Thome solo home run off of Nick Blackburn in Game 163 in 2008. Overall, Guillen can (and probably will) boast a career 677-617 (.523) record in his eight seasons with the White Sox.

On Sunday, 80-year-old Jack McKeon announced that he would not be coming back to manage the Marlins in 2012. On Monday night, it became known that the White Sox and Marlins were discussing trades. It will be interesting to see who the White Sox get in exchange for their skipper, but it is likely not to be a lot.

The Marlins have had 11 managers since coming into existance in 2003. Rene Lachemann from 1993-1996. Cookie Rojas for one game. John Boles for the remainde of that 1996 season. Jim Leyland for two years. John Boles again from 1999-2001. Tony Perez for the rest of that season. Jeff Torborg for a year and a half. Jack McKeon for 2003 through 2005, including the Marlins second World Series title. Joe Girardi was the 2006 NL Manager of the Year before getting fired. Fredi Gonzalez from 2007 through 2010. Edwin Rodriguez for part of 2010 and the beginning of 2011. Brandon Hyde for a game, and then Jack McKeon came on to finish out the season.

In other words, the managing situation, due in large part to the owners of the Marlins, has been a mess. Guillen may be the perfect storm for the team. The Venezuelan native has always wanted to manage the Marlins. He has a track record of success. He is a lightning rod for attention. And the Marlins are moving into their new stadium next season. Looking to get crowd to see the team, Guillen will bring an energy and an excitement that may even get baseball fans in south Florida interested in going to games.

Where will the White Sox go? Will Joey Cora take over for Guillen, or follow to Florida after the season? Will they bring in some big name and over pay?

From a Twins fan’s perspective, I will kind of miss Guillen in the AL Central. The incredible respect between he and Gardenhire was obvious. Their pregame and in-game interaction was fun to witness. Guillen’s post-game rants, which I assume will continue in Florida, were always fun to listen to. The difference, of course, is that now those rants likely won’t be due to the Twins’ pirahnas or whatever other nickname or curse word he would use to describe the Twins.

Things in the AL Central will be different. The White Sox, needed a change. Guillen needed a change.

And yes, I can see where the comments in a blog post like this will go… and no, I don’t believe that the 2011 Twins season should be Ron Gardenhire’s last with the Twins, unless he makes that decision himself.

  Feel free to comment.

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13 Responses to “Ozzie’s Out (of Chicago)”

  1. mcorsi September 27, 2011 at 8:40 am #

    I’m going to miss Guillen a lot. I always found him highly entertaining. Of course, I’m not a White Sox so maybe the fans there grew tired of his crazy antics. As for Gardy, well I can honestly say I have never been much of a fan of him. To much loyalty to certain individuals and what seems like a ridiculous amount hatred for anyone not fitting his ideals. I still feel like Hardy was traded solely on his desires not from the front office (but what do I know). All that being said, to blame this years debacle of a season on him would be ridiculous. He is a good manager who can get a lot out of his players. Now if he continues next year to be unable to get his team ready to play or continue to play abysmal ball against the big east teams, then you may see me in the front line calling for his head.

  2. Chuck September 27, 2011 at 8:56 am #

    The Florida Marlins did NOT come into existence in 2003. Try 1993.

  3. roger September 27, 2011 at 9:48 am #

    Seth, count me amongst those who are sad to see Ozzie leave. I respected him tremendously and enjoyed his antics. Now I am not certain I would every have wanted to be his employer, but I will miss him!

  4. TT September 27, 2011 at 9:54 am #

    One of the Twins strengths has been that they don’t panic and find scapegoats when things go wrong. I remember some friend of Carl Pohlad’s who wanted to fire Terry Ryan and Tom Kelly. Pohlad, wisely, said no. Gardy has his problems, but replacing him is not going to keep Morneau and Mauer healthy.

  5. gobbledy September 27, 2011 at 10:16 am #

    off topic; but reading the twitter talk about how much bert hates slowey. it bothers me that bert is going so hard after slowey for some of the same things bert did in his early years. bert forced his way out of minn. over money (not a real team first thing). he did not last in texas they grew tired of his “act” real fast (gave the fans the finger there). he wore out his welcome in pitt where he was not the team player (fighting with the manager on how he was used, sound fimiliar) as he likes to remember and they shipped him to what then was purgatory. bert was anything but a model player in his first 10-12 years in the bigs, it took him a long time to grow up. maybe he should remember that when he starts throwing stones.

  6. Jack Steal September 27, 2011 at 11:42 am #

    Seth,

    I only have two questions for you.

    1. How many World Series rings has the great Ron Gardenhire brought to Minnesota. Answer is 0. In fact he has done the opposite losing 12 straight playoff games in a row and now a 100 loss season.

    2. How many World Series rings has Ozzie Guillen brought to the south side of Chicago. Answer is 1. Nothing else really matters.

    I agree this season is not on manager Roin Gardenhire’s shoulders and have said it for years. However, 12 straight playoff losses, a lifetime record of 19-64 vs the Yankees, and players comfortable enought to take a day off whenever they want because their manager does not hold them accountable. I guess fans in mediocre Minnesota define success diffrently than on the east and west coasts. Terry Francona might lose his job this year if the Red Sox don’t make the playoffs. He has won 2 world titles (2004 and 2007) and after 86 years of misery finally brought respectablity back to the City of Boston. I know you probably won’t respond back but why are the Twins so enthralled with just getting to the playoffs. If you answer that you are smarter than me. Here are some undisputed facts about the Pohlad family.

    1. They have more money than Steinbrenner, Reinsdorf, and John Henry.

    2. They make about $1 million a game (81) at Target Field on alcohol sales.

    3. They make about $1 million a game (81) on food sales and merchandise.

    4. They make roughly $90 million a year on tickets sold.

    5. They make about $20 million maybe more in advertisement.

    6. They paid only $167 million for Target Field with upgrades/improvements.

    7. They pay about $11 million a year to run the ballpark with capital improvements account for.

    8. Payroll salary for the Twins was $115 million.

    9. Depending on what excutives make with the Twins they pay about $15 million to employees including benefits.

    Do the math yourself the Twins pay out about $141 million a year for everything.

    They make roughly $272 million a year and that is a very modest number because it does not include TV and radio deals that probably brings it up over $350 million.

    A $131 million profit for mediocrity. Pretty unreal and sad for an organization that tells us they care about winning. It’s a huge lie!! They don’t care at all about winning, it’s all about profit. Boston, LA, New York, Phildelphia they care about winning at any cost. No way to really defend this post because it’s all true verify the numbers yourself.

    • Kunza September 27, 2011 at 12:38 pm #

      I really doubt that the Twins sell 133,333 bottles of beer a game.

    • mini_tb September 27, 2011 at 2:58 pm #

      Egads, Jack! If the hometown 9 bring this much stress into your life, why bother following them?

    • mike wants wins September 27, 2011 at 3:21 pm #

      Where did you get those beer numbers? Wow. $1MM per game on beer? I mean, even if that is the gross number, it seems very, very, very high to me, let alone the net number (which is pretty much impossible to believe). They might make $1-2 profit per beer, are you suggesting they sell 500,000 beers per game?

  7. Kunza September 27, 2011 at 12:40 pm #

    I’m not a fan of making a change but eventually the day will come. People are giving Ron Gardenhire a pass for life when he really hasn’t accomplished anything.

    If now is not a good time to make a change, when is it ever going to be a good time?

  8. mike wants wins September 27, 2011 at 2:02 pm #

    I find Ozzie entertaining, which is what sports is about to me. I really don’t watch enough White Sox games to understand if he gets the most out of the players he has or not, but I enjoy listening to him and reading his quotes.

    As Mike Greenberg said, in the last 180 years of chicago baseball, the list of WS managers is Ozzie….

  9. adjacent September 27, 2011 at 2:10 pm #

    Aren’t we thinking this upside down? First, you have to see what went wrong. Then , you have to decide what changes you have to make. Then, get rid of those who are not willing, or aren’t able, to make the changes. Probably is a good idea not to make head personnel changes now, but obviously they have to change some procedures. Next year, when you see who doesn’t make the necessary changes, you make the personnel changes. No excuses at that time

  10. Chuck September 27, 2011 at 4:37 pm #

    Not only has the Marlins gone through managers since 1993 but there have numerous owners of the Marlins. The present owner, Jeffery Loria, is not the original owner when the franchise started in 1993. Also Ozzie Guillen is not a stranger to the Florida Marlins. He was the 3rd base coach when the Marlins won the World Series in 2003. And who was the manager of that World Series team? None other then the present manager, Jack McKeoen.

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