Could Cuddyer Leave?

7 Nov

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If you would have asked me at the end of the Twins trying 2011 season if Michael Cuddyer would be back with the Twins in 2012 and beyond, my response simply would have been, “Of course.” The Twins have a way of retaining the players that they want to. They obviously kept Joe Mauer. They kept Torii Hunter, Johan Santana, Brad Radke, Kirby Puckett, Kent Hrbek, and even Michael Cuddyer beyond their free agent years. With some, it was due to locking them up before they were free agents, but for whatever reason, the Twins keep the guys they want to keep. Michael Cuddyer is a guy that we have to assume the Twins really, really want to keep.

Over the weekend, MLB Trade Rumors reported that the Philadelphia Phillies are going to aggressively pursue free agent Michael Cuddyer. Jim Thome signed with the Phillies (no surprise there, huh?!) on Friday. Many wondered if Thome would help try to recruit Cuddyer to the Phillies. The two are very close. Although it has been nothing but speculation to this point, Twitter and discussions were all over the place. It was very interesting to hear and read so many different comments and opinions. If Cuddyer did sign with the Phillies (or anywhere but the Twins), who would be at fault? The Twins front office, meaning Bill Smith, who has become the blame target for everything in 2011? Would Cuddyer be at fault for being greedy or somehow disloyal? I wondered via Twitter if Joe Mauer might somehow get some of the blame, and to no surprise, several people agreed with that notion.

To be completely fair, Michael Cuddyer has earned the right to be a free agent, and he has earned the right to see what other options are available to him. He has the right to stay with the Twins, and he has the right to maximize what will most likely be his last big contract. Likewise, the Twins have the right to sign him to a contract that makes sense to them, but they also have the right to say that there is a limit that they are not willing to go beyond, be it number of years or number of dollars.  


Cuddyer has been in the organization since the Twins made him the 9th overall pick in the 1997 draft out of high school. He began his pro career with Ft. Wayne in the Midwest League in 1998 where he posted an impressive .814 OPS. Sure, he committed 61 errors as a shortstop, but it was still an impressive pro debut. He moved up to Ft. Myers in 1999 and posted an .873 OPS. Before the 2000 season, Baseball America ranked him the 18th best prospect in all of baseball. He advanced to New Britain and posted a .745 OPS as a 21 year old. He returned to New Britain in 2001 and had an incredible season. He hit .301/.395/.560 with 36 doubles, three triples, 30 home runs and 87 RBI. Without looking too deeply, here are some of the best prospect performances by Twins prospects at New Britain (you will note why I will always call Jason Kubel the best Twins prospect I’ve seen in the last decade. His 2004 season was amazing!):

  • Justin Morneau – 2002 (21) – 126 games – .298/.356/.474 with 31 doubles, four triples, 16 HR.
  • Joe Mauer – 2003 (20) – 73 games – .341/.400/.453 with 17 doubles, one triple, 4 HR.
  • Jason Kubel – 2004 (22) – 37 games – .377/.453/.667 with 14 doubles, four triples, six HR.
  • Joe Benson – 2010 (22) – 102 games – .251/.336/.527 with 20 doubles, seven triples, 23 HR.
  • Joe Benson – 2011 (23) – 111 games – .285/.388/.495 with 28 doubles, four triples, 16 HR.  

Cuddyer’s 2001 season ended with the Minnesota Twins where he played eight games in September.

In 2002, he advanced to Triple-A Edmonton where in 86 games, he hit .309/.379/.594 with 16 doubles, nine triples and 20 home runs. He played in parts of 41 games with the Twins that year too. He has been a member of the Twins for the most part since then. He has been a very versatile player for the Twins, always willing to play wherever asked by manager Ron Gardenhire. Here is a look at the positions he played each year:

  • 2001 (1B – 5, 3B – 2, DH – 1)
  • 2002 (RF – 25, 3B – 10, 1B – 6)
  • 2003 (RF – 17, 3B – 7, 1B – 5, 2B – 1, LF – 1)
  • 2004 (2B – 48, 3B – 43, 1B – 10, RF – 8, LF – 7, DH – 4)
  • 2005 (3B – 95, RF – 20, 2B – 11, 1B – 8)
  • 2006 (RF – 142, 1B – 8)
  • 2007 (RF – 140, 1B – 4)
  • 2008 (RF – 48, 1B – 2, CF – 1)
  • 2009 (RF – 117, 1B – 34, CF – 3, 2B – 1)
  • 2010 (1B – 84, RF – 66, 3B – 14, CF – 2, 2B – 1)
  • 2011 (RF – 77, 1B – 46, 2B – 17, DH – 8, P – 1)
  • MLB Total (RF – 670, 1B – 210, 3B – 171, 2B – 79, LF – 9, CF – 6, P – 1)

Let’s look back. He came up as a right fielder and split some time with “Dusty Kielmohr.” As you can see, he moved all over the field. In 2004, he was a Super Utility player. I recall being excited that he could take over for Luis Rivas and end that era. That didn’t happen. In 2005, he began the season as the team’s every day 3B, but he struggled there. In 2006, he was finally just given the everyday 3B job and he thrived. We heard a lot about him being able to just relax and play. He was frequently among league leaders in outfield assists. 2008 was a tough year. He played just 71 games and had several fluke injuries. For some reason, some fans used that season to call him “always hurt.” In reality, 2008 is the only season in which he has had less than 580 plate appearances since 2006. His greatest moment as a Twins player came in 2009 when Justin Morneau could not play in September and Cuddyer moved to 1B. He played well defensively, and he almost single-handedly carried the Twins to the playoffs. It was the only time in his career that he has received MVP votes. He posted a career-high 32 home runs. Unfortunately, he played a lot of 1B in 2010 and 2011 due to Morneau injury. In 2010, he played a lot of 3B in interleague play. In 2011, he played a lot of 2B in an attempt to add some offense to a struggling team.

In the post-season, he hit .338/.372/.473 with two doubles, a triple and two home runs. He has provided the Twins with right-handed power and offense in the middle of the order. He has crushed left-handed pitching throughout his career. Against left-handed pitching, he has hit .290/.378/.491 (.869) in his career.

What to Do?

So, clearly Cuddyer has been important to the Twins on the field for the last decade, and he has provided a lot of value. From the perspective of the Twins front office, it is important to understand, respect and compensate that. However, more important, Cuddyer’s next contract will be for 2012 through 2014 or 2015. Cuddyer will turn 33 years old just before the start of the 2012 season. In my opinion, a 3 year, $30-33 million deal is very appropriate for Cuddyer. It has been reported that the Twins are willing to go up to four years and $40 million. If Cuddyer agreed to that, I would say it is a little high, but certainly reasonable and not worth getting excited or upset about.

There are other reports that Cuddyer and his agent, Casey Close (Derek Jeter’s agent), are looking for four years and $52 million. Again, if the Twins signed him for that, I wouldn’t be upset, but I would definitely say that it is too much. Cuddyer is a very good player, but he is certainly not elite. He was a first-time All Star in 2011. He has a career OPS of .794, and an OPS+ of 111. He is well beyond an average big league player. However, he’s not one of the top big leaguers. In fact, among big league outfielders, his 2011 OPS did not rank among the Top 20.

Versatility and Much More

Cuddyer’s versatility has been very important to the Twins over the years. In fact, his versatility is proving to be quite valuable to Cuddyer as he is a free agent. Over the weekend, it became clear that the Phillies are going to go very hard after Cuddyer, and their reasoning is that he can play all over the field. We heard last summer that the Giants wanted to acquire him as a 2B option. The Red Sox want him to replace JD Drew in right field in Boston. No, he is not a great defender at any position, but his ability to be adequate at several positions is going to make him money.

To discuss the value of Michael Cuddyer without mentioning intangibles can’t happen. No, stats can’t measure they’re value, but they are valuable traits for a team and for an organization. As I wrote about a couple of weeks ago, it’s hard to measure the value of leadership. It’s impossible to measure the value that a player of Cuddyer’s experience can have in talking with younger players as they are coming up to the big leagues. What is the value of someone who is willing to talk to the media on the good days and especially on the bad days?

Beyond that, what is the value to a team and to a community of having a citizen like Michael Cuddyer in its midst? Cuddyer and his wife Claudia have been very active in the community and with the Twins Community Fund. But Cuddyer goes above and beyond for the community, beyond any likely requirements.

Arguably one of the biggest question marks for the Twins front office as it relates to bringing back Michael Cuddyer for a lot of money has to do with the fan base. Some Twins fans will say things like, “I thought the purpose of Target Field was to be able to keep guys like Cuddyer.” There will be several bloggers who will say that Cuddyer isn’t worth bringing back at all, or at least not for more than X dollars or Y years. But the “average Twins fan” will be upset that Cuddyer is gone. In many ways, he is the face, and he certainly is the voice, of the Minnesota Twins. Should the Twins front office make moves just to appease a fan base? Of course not, that would be irresponsible. However, it should be ready to discuss it. (This is where the Twins PR department will earn some money! I don’t envy that job!)

Aside – Some will blame Bill Smith and the Front Office for not signing Cuddyer to an extension after the 2010 season. However, in 2010, Cuddyer’s OPS dropped from .862 to .753. Of course in retrospect it may look like adding a couple of years at $11-12 million may have made sense, but I don’t think many Twins fans would have thought that a year ago at this time. Others will say that the Twins should have traded Cuddyer at the July trade deadline. The Twins were just five games back and Joe Mauer, Denard Span and Jason Kubel were all expected back soon. To have traded Cuddyer at that time may have been the right decision, but just five games back, I don’t know how they could have done it. Again, in retrospect, these two things could have happened and maybe the Twins would be better off. Retrospect is a beautiful thing!

As a Type A free agent, if the Phillies or Red Sox were to sign Cuddyer, the Twins would get their first-round pick and a supplemental first round pick. Obviously we don’t know how those players will turn out for three to five years, but for a team that needs to add talent to its minor league system, having the #2 overall pick, a late first round pick and an early supplemental first round pick, followed by the #2 pick of the second round would hopefully help out!


Michael Cuddyer has spent 15 seasons in the Twins organization. He has been a very good, versatile player. He has become a fan and media favorite. He has been a community and charitable leader. Cuddyer has earned the right to be a free agent, and he has the right to take advantage of that right in a way that he feels is best for him, his career and his family… whatever that means. The Twins front office has the responsibility to doing what is best for the team, both short-term and long-term. Sometimes that means doing unpopular things. It is likely that the Cuddyer camp has certain numbers for years and dollars that it would be willing to go down to while listening to teams like the Phillies and Red Sox give them numbers that will be pretty big. At the end of the day, Cuddyer will have several offers to consider and will get to pick what is best for him.

From a personal standpoint, I would like the Twins to find a way to keep Michael Cuddyer. No question about that. At the end of the day, I’ll understand if he decides to move on with another organization, and I’ll understand if the Twins believe that there is a contract that they just don’t want to meet. I have asked myself, if the Twins lose Cuddyer, does that set the tone for an offseason that looks to competing again in 2013 or 2014? Does it mean that the Twins should then push to keep Jason Kubel? If Cuddyer isn’t back, does it make it more difficult to bring Joe Nathan back?

Joe Mauer is the face of the Twins franchise, for whatever that is worth. Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. Michael Cuddyer represents the Minnesota Twins. Regardless of what happens, Michael Cuddyer is, and will always be, a Minnesota Twin.

What are your thoughts on the Cuddyer situation? What if he leaves? What if he stays? Please feel free to leave comments here.

If Cuddyer leaves, what do the Twins do? Obviously, the TwinsCentric Offseason GM Handbook would be a pretty good resource for what other players may be available as replacements! If you don’t have a copy, be sure to order one today! We hope that many of you will develop your own blueprint of and e-mail it to to be entered into a random drawing where one winner will receive a copy of the TwinsCentric 2012 Twins Annual next spring.


32 Responses to “Could Cuddyer Leave?”

  1. nate November 7, 2011 at 2:32 am #

    When can the Twins offer arbitration? And if the Philles (or someone else) sign him before then do we lose out in the picks?

    • Seth November 7, 2011 at 2:42 am #

      Teams make the decision later in November. If someone signs Cuddyer before then, it makes the Twins decision to offer him arbitration much easier. Although it was already an easy decision for the Twins to offer Cuddyer arbitration, if he is already signed, there’s no reason not to.

  2. David November 7, 2011 at 7:13 am #

    Seth, you’re doing your thinking with your heart and not your head. Historically, hitters begin to decline significantly after the age of 32. A three-year, $30-million deal, while certainly fair in today’s market, would not be a wise investment for a team not likely to contend for the next couple of years, or in a guy who can’t hit right-handed pitching consistently. Joe Benson is a year away at most. I say let Cuddyer (and Kubel) walk, sign Coco Crisp to a short-term contract as a stopgap, and get on with the rebuilding process.

    • Randy November 7, 2011 at 1:08 pm #

      I like David’s comments that you are thinking with your heart. But I do not like Coco Crisp–was are we trying to become KC? Come on, be creative, take the money and become a strong Pitching/Defenseive club. There isn’t any alternative in this pitcher friendly park Twin’s play in and with speedy OF’s and no Kubel, Thome, Cuddyer anymore. Bottom line, we need some new decision makers at the top….lagging for some time now.

    • Seth November 7, 2011 at 2:07 pm #

      I kind of thought that the blog was written to show both ‘heart’ and ‘head’ sides. Coco Crisp does nothing for me. I don’t mind the idea of a one year guy for RF if Cuddyer leaves.

    • adjacent November 7, 2011 at 3:02 pm #

      If we are going the speedy outfield-pitching and defense route, the internal candidates are fine. An outfield of Span, Revere, Tosoni/Benson/ Plouffe is all what you need. Then, spend the money in pitching (both starters and relievers) a good shortstop, a good back-up catcher and you are set. Probably it will be a team without much pop, but that is what you are planning anyway.

  3. Matt November 7, 2011 at 9:21 am #

    On the Cuddyer issue, the Twins need to ask themselves, “Does Cuddyer + Health = Playoffs?” I don’t think so. And if you add Nathan into the equation, now there’s very little money to work with on filling the shortstop, backup catcher, rotation, and bullpen holes. The time is right to let Cuddyer walk.

  4. mike wants wins November 7, 2011 at 9:36 am #

    For those that care (and I’m not one)…..why like Mauer (who was born here, but chose to move the moment he was out of HS) more than a guy like Cuddy (who was born elsewhere, but chooses to live here)? I’ve never understood why people care in the first place, but if you do care, why the birth vs choice?

    As for Cuddeyer’s future, I’m not sure I get the “blame” part. Both sides will make a choice that is best for them. He’s not at his peak, and the team has so many question marks that it might not make sense to invest in him. As for the other side, if you could go to Philly and hit 10 more HRs from the small home field, and play for a likely playoff team, or stay here, what would you choose? I don’t think there is any blame here, it just is what it is. But, you are probably right, fans will blame someone.

    The non-stats stuff is hard to put a price on. Clearly, there is value in his community service, his loyalty, his presence off the field. I’m not sure what his presence in the clubhouse is really worth. I think this year showed us again that it is about talent, not about effort or leadership or grittiness. I’m sure there is some value, just not sure what/how much it is worth to the team.

    I’d probably be willing to go 3 years $30MM, even though I worry that is one year too many. I also am concerned that M&M&S may not be healthy, so any money spent on an older veteran right now may be money down the toilet. If I had more data about Morneau and Span, it would be easier to know what to do, I think.

    Either way, cuddy leaving or staying will annoy different parts of the fan base differently. But I do agree, the more casual fan will blame the Twins if he leaves.

    • Seth November 7, 2011 at 2:09 pm #

      Cuddyer doesn’t live in MInnesota year-round either.

      I don’t think there should be any blame if Cuddyer leaves either ,but many fans seem to need to blame someone on every single thing.

      • mike wants wins November 7, 2011 at 2:15 pm #

        Really? Huh, I must have him confused with another player on where they live. thanks….but like I said, I don’t really care, but I know others do.

  5. Jack Steal November 7, 2011 at 9:51 am #


    Fantastic analysis and don’t disagree with you on anything. However, you mentioned 2-3 times that Cuddyer has earned the right to be a free agent. Nobody had ever used that term in MLB until the moron in the front office used it last year when describing the free agents to be (Guerrier, Crain, Fuentes, and Rauch). It’s just another way of saying we are letting the players move on to greener pastures. I would suggest don’t get caught up listening to what Smith says because the guy is incompetent.

    Every fan out there knows by now that (Cuddyer, Kubel, and Nathan) are all gone. The front office has a lot of explaining to do for fans like me who save money all year long to pay for their expensive season ticket package. Twins need to retain at the very least Kubel for sure. I’m starting to think nothing big will happen this off-season. It is still very early yet so anything can happen. Go Twins!!!!

    • Seth November 7, 2011 at 2:12 pm #

      I don’t think Bill Smith coined the phrase “earned the right to be a free agent.” It’s been around much longer than last year. And, based on his about 9 years of service time and his contract running out, he absolutely has earned the right to be a free agent. Also, I pretty much never read quotes, and I certainly don’t read into anything any GM or front office says.

      If Cuddyer, Kubel and Nathan are gone, maybe it’s not a bad thing for the organization. Yup, will take some PR, but more important to me, is give me an idea for what the plan is for 2012, 2013 and beyond.

  6. retiredguard November 7, 2011 at 11:55 am #

    I would be very sad to see Cuddy leave. He has done everything Gardy has asked him to at the betterment of the “team” and not for selfish reasons. I guess that goes with his and Claudia’s service to the commnity. See a pattern? Anyway, I think $30 million for 3 years would be fair. It not only rewards him for what he has meant to the team but really for his age and performance on the field it would be a fair contract. As a fan, I would be fine with that offer and if Cuddy decides to move on for more money and/or a better chance of winning a World Series ring then I can’t fault him. Either way, thank you for all you’ve done for the Twins Cuddy and I hope to see you back with the Twins next year.

    Speaking of free agency, when are we going to let managers go through free agency? Just a thought. Be nice to get rid of Gardy and pull Tony L. out of retirement.

  7. Andy November 7, 2011 at 1:03 pm #

    Let them all go! We’re clearly rebuilding. That 4yr 52million you threw out there was just asinine.

    • Seth November 7, 2011 at 2:13 pm #

      It’s not my number, it’s Cuddyer’s agent. I agree that it’s high, but on Nov. 6, I don’t have any problem with him asking for it.

  8. Wavedog November 7, 2011 at 1:04 pm #

    I would echo what has been mentioned here already. I would offer 3 years and between $27-$30M, but would not go much if any higher. Cuddyer has been a great Twin and a very good player but given his age, the current state of the Twins and his value to other teams – particularly National teams that value his versatility even greater than we would – I see him likely moving on. If someone blows him away with 4 years or $12-$15M per year – it would be time to wish him well and let him go. We did that with Torii Hunter and I don’t think we are missing spending those $. I think there are some options in free agency that could replace his position or we could re-deploy those $ to other areas of need.

    • Seth November 7, 2011 at 2:14 pm #


  9. MinMike74 November 7, 2011 at 1:45 pm #

    The Royals just traded Melky Cabrera for Jonathan Sanchez. Jeepers where the hell was Bill Smith on that trade?

    • Seth November 7, 2011 at 2:16 pm #

      If Twins fans think that Francisco Liriano was frustrating in 2011, imagine how Giants fans have felt with Jonathan Sanchez for the last 2+ years. Sanchez might have the least control of anyone in baseball. Yup, there are strikeouts, but as much as I wanted to take a shot on Sanchez last year, I just don’t want a second Liriano on the roster. That said, great trade by the Royals to get something for Melky rather than paying him, and opening up the door for Lorenzo Cain. This is a nothing trade where the Royals fans can at least hope.

  10. rhobbs November 7, 2011 at 1:56 pm #

    Seth, with all respect, I think your versatility argument is overblown. It is just code for your team is weak in several positions. Do the Yankees or Red Sox or Phillies move guys around? I know you like Cuddy but outfielders are a commodity and to spend $50 million on a non-elite one for this club is nonsensical. They can not play next year without a different shortstop, backup (everday?) catcher, a different look starting pitcher ( Baker, Slowey, Pavano, Blackburn are all mediocre variants of the same guy) and bullpen help. If they don’t answer these, they could have Mickey Mantle circa 1956 out in right and they won’t win.
    If they don’t win, the aura of Target will wane and when the crowds diminish then given the albatross of Mauer’s contract, they are really in the deep yogurt. I think it is really a critical year for the club, but I sense very little urgency. But the bottom line is this club can not pay Cuddy because he is a nice guy and can (rather poorly) play a few positions.

    • Seth November 7, 2011 at 2:21 pm #

      Like I wrote, that was 1 offseason thing about of 8 or 9 on my blueprint. Yes, I would love to be able to count on a lineup where I could put Mauer at catcher, Morneau at 1B, one person at 2B, Barmes at SS, Valencia at 3B, Span in LF, Revere in CF, Cuddyer in RF and one DH. And as many of those as can be every day guys, the better. But we know Morneau will likely not be able to play 1B. Mauer will need to continue to play there. Then they need a backup catcher who is better, but I would prefer that guy be good enough that he could DH or play other positions beyond backup catcher. If you’ve got 7-8 regulars that you can count on to play every single day, that’s prefered, but you need your backups to have some versatility (and talent, of course). When you don’t know what you’ll get from your 1B and you know your C needs to play more, you have to have a few versatile guys.

  11. mike wants wins November 7, 2011 at 2:16 pm #

    Found this on Sickel’s site today…..not good…..

    Hicks My faith in Hicks is slipping. The tools still look marvelous but the swing just doesn’t impress me. No loft at all.

    43% chance he ends up back on the mound.

    by John Sickels on Nov 7, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions

    • Seth November 7, 2011 at 2:17 pm #

      meanwhile, Keith Law is saying that he’s shown great improvement with his swing and aggressiveness over the past 3-4 weeks. So, oh well.

      • mike wants wins November 7, 2011 at 3:04 pm #

        Just passing along what I see….no idea who is right….and I think I posted that KLAW comment here too, but maybe I only thought about doing it.

        let’s hope LAW is right this time, and not Sickels.

  12. SF5 November 7, 2011 at 2:40 pm #

    I think that anything more that 3/30 for cuddy is too much with all of the other holes we have. The only way I like keeping him is if he’s at first and we are already paying that position at 14,000,000 a year, no reason to add him for another 10+. His range has never been good, and is only going to get worse, his arm is good, but doesn’t make up for it (like most twins fans like to think), and he has never hit well for a full season. He will give you a really good half of a season from the plate, while playing very mediocre for the rest of the year. It seems like the only thing people remember about him are his hot streaks while forgetting to analyze any of the rest of his output. I like the guy, but we have more needs than a utility guy who isn’t that good anywhere on the field, plus we have more needs and outfield depth coming up in the minors. I’d rather spend that money on a SS.

  13. thrylos98 November 7, 2011 at 4:11 pm #

    The Twins’ 2 years/ $8M per year was a fair (if not generous) offer. Cuddyer decided to ignore it. He will be 34 next season. The Twins can do better with $ 11-12M a year (and add 6ish for Kubel makes abotut $18M a year). With that money they can sign Jonny Gomes and Winginham to rotate as the 3rd OF and DH and Ryan Doumit to fill in as C and 1B and occasional RF and DH. The bench will be stronger, the fielding will be better and adding 3 power RH bats while replacing one and a left handed bat. And probably have enough leftover to sign a couple bullpen arms…

    • SF5 November 8, 2011 at 2:25 pm #

      I agree with the spending on Willingham and Doumit versus Cuddy completely, I would like to see us retain kubel because when he is right he is arguably more productive than any hitter in our line up.

  14. The Other Seth November 8, 2011 at 6:14 pm #

    Any speculation on what Cuddyer himself is thinking? Sure, the Twins organization loves him, and Philly will put $$ in his pocket, but where does he have a better chance to win? I think the Twins really have to show him the money, because Philly’s immediate future looks a bit brighter. Less money and years of rebuilding, simply because the fans love him here? I have a hard time seeing it. Any relevant comparison to Hunter’s exit? There’s no Span knocking on the door, but Hunter left at a time when the Twins future (again) didn’t look so bright. And Hunter’s tenure in LA has clearly shown that Cuddyer can go somewhere else without engendering ill-will from the fan base.

  15. scot November 12, 2011 at 1:26 am #

    I like Cuddyer but he is very streaky hitter and sometimes looks completely lost at the plate. Not the player the Twins need to give a monster contract to. Offer arbitration because he will not accept it. Bye Bye Michael and thanks for the memories.

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